Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. ~Ephesians 6:11
Thursday, April 19, 2012
Curruption of the Bible, Mary and Lent
Other Biblical Quotes Needed for this rebuttal:
"Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective."
-James 5:16
"Nothing impure will ever enter it [Heaven], nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life."
-Revelations 21:27
"But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit."
-1 Corinthians 6:17
"honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself."
-Matthew 19:19
"After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God."
-Acts 1:3
"and he was in the desert forty days, being tempted by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him."
-Mark 1:13
Clarification:
1) Catholics, and most, if not all Orthodox Church (I am unaware of any which do not) believe in the intercession of Saints. The biblical passages above show a decent basic for the idea of it, while i am sure i will not convince a anti-intercession extremist, this is not a page to convert people, but to remove roadblocks on the path to mutual understanding, suffice it to say, in my mind the early church including "communion of saints" as one of its dogmatic teachings is sufficient for me to say that it is a Christian idea. As to why we pray to Saints, rather then ask for prayers of living people (which we do too) As you can see, a man who is righteous is a powerful intercessor (James 5:16), and there is no one who is not pure in heaven, (Rev 21:27).
To Fully answer this question, we must answer a few smaller questions -- First, Can they hear our prayers? -- Yes, they are aware of them, that is clear (Rev 5:8) and (Rev 8:3-4) While you can make the argument that they are not involved with the prayers, and that the are instead going directly to god, clearly they know whats going on. And as Jesus proved, you can talk to the dead (Matt 17:3).
Second, Does praying to them, or anything else we do imply worshiping them?
No, we Honor them, and Mary above all the rest of the saints, Honor, does not mean, or imply worship of them, in the bible (Matthew 19:19) you must Honor your mother and your father. So too do we honor those who make it into paradise.
Third, Can they pray for us? -- I see no reason why not, the bible (as far as i am aware) makes no real distinction between the dead, and the living, If you can ask a friend to pray for you, there is no reason for me to think your same friend could not pray for you in heaven with even stronger prayers.
2) Why do we honor Mary? -- Shes the mother of god, Threw her the head of Satan is crushed with Jesus Christ. I suggest a reading of Revelations 12, where a women, clearly Mary, if you read the context around it, is "clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head" (Rev 12:1).
3) Lent is, a time of spiritual renewal, lasting 40 days, (a typical, biblical number used often, for example Acts 1:3; Mark 1:13) . While this is entirely a man made idea to reenact the 40 days in our own little way, it is a Christian tradition, which many people find spiritually nurturing.
4) Not eating meat as part of our diet in Friday's is a small form of self denial during this period of time, some days we has less meals, or smaller meals, other we don't eat meat. Its purely one of many ways a Christian may practice the main themes of lent, prayer, penance, repentance, alms-giving, and self-denial. Fasts are very biblical, however, see (Fasting in the bible).
5) Our Bible is larger, because your bible is the product of Martin Luther's rejection of those books our bible holds, the Catholic bible, is made up of the same books the Christian bible has always had since we created the thing, the Protestant bible is the result of a man who disagreed with the books of the bible, but in my opinion, he needed to remove a lot more books to make the bible not support the Catholic position.
My Turn:
Why do i feel that Luther should have removed more books form his bible? I used a NIV (No Catholic version in existence) for this entire blog post.
Pax Christi.
AMDG.
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The Quote:
"religion is corrupt i mean catholiks pray to the virgin mary more than God and whats that thing u ppl do wen u dnt eat meat and wat sup wit ur bible idk y u ppl changed it"
English [non-Literal] Translation:
I find, that your religion is corrupt, I mean to say that Catholics pray to the virgin Mary more than they pray to God and whats that [Lent] thing you People do when you do not eat meat [on Fridays]? and what is up with your bible? I don't know why you people changed it.
Questions at the Heart of this:
1) Why do Catholics Pray to Saints?
2) Why is Mary honored?
3)What is lent?
4)Why don't you eat meat during lent?
5) Why is your bible bigger then mine?
Biblical Contradiction:
"I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people"
-1 Timothy 2:1
"Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all God’s people, on the golden altar in front of the throne. The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of God’s people, went up before God from the angel’s hand."
-Revelations 8:3-4
-Revelations 5:8
"Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus."
-Matthew 17:3