Monday, April 16, 2012

Misunderstandings Dogma, Pope, Church Foundation.

The Quote:
"Sure there are apostate "Protestant" heretics as well but the 1) pope is the king of heretics. 2)The Bible is a solid foundation 3) while the catholic church is constantly changing its dogma and doctrine, 4) it is unstable as it has a man as its head instead of God Almighty."


Biblical Contradiction:

"If I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Timothy 3:15

"And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it." -Matthew 16:18

Other Biblical Quotes Needed for this rebuttal:

""For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, "'Let his home become desolate, with no one living in it.',' and, "'May another take his place of leadership." -Acts 1:20


Clarification:

1) The Pope CAN be a a grave sinner, of any kind, but he can not change the Church into his Heretical ways, Its notable to point out that While the Church suffered from political Popes in past times, never did its teachings change to say "its okay to ____ (List sins committed by Popes here)".

2) As you can see in 1 Timothy, the Church, not the bible is the solid foundation, and the Pope having existed prior to this statement in Timothy was part of that Church, though not all have given this fact recognition.

3) The Church, does not Change its infallible teaching
Dogma - Information -  Here You can read a short Wiki-Page on Dogma.

For a More in-depth read (Try to prove me wrong) Click Here.

Doctrine is the Formal, or informal teaching of the Church, there are 3 main levels.
1) Dogma (Official)
2) Canon Law (Disciplines) - Subject to change with the needs of the faithful.
3) Theolegoumena (Theological opinions) - Not always in agreement, and not infallible. 

While the Lower non-infallible doctrine of the Church may change, its simply insane to claim that this proves anything, as we do not claim it to be infallible. This is a source of frequent misunderstandings, for example Here we have a Protestant Anti-Catholic who claims we don't teach the Sign of the Cross as we used to (Formally on the Forehead, while now its a full chest and head) he points out there was no use of "The sign of the cross" in "apostolic" times however....First, were still in apostolic succession, as are our beloved Orthodox brothers. Secondly, this is merely a reminded of the cross, it sure is not a infallible teaching of the Church.

4) If the Catholic Church is unstable with a man, who has direct succession of his office (see Acts 1:20) meaning he has all the Authority that Jesus left to Peter....Then how strong is your Church, with a man following not the pillar and foundation of Truth, but Making it up as he goes along.


My Turn:

Since you think that the words of men are worthless, and think subjection to Change makes them spiritual untrue, i first must congratulate you, second i must invite you...not to join the Church, but to study the Church, find our men, who despite their flaws are cleansed by the power of god, and given the gift of infallibility, so that they may never lead the church into defining infallibly a way outside what has been said in Heaven. When you find what you think to be true to be a misunderstanding, pray, ask god where he wants you, and wait for his answer.

Pax Christi.
AMDG.

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